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Decentralised archive Anonymous 07/11/21(Sun)01:00:15 No. fprog-6UJBBUTN [Report]

Alright /prog/champs, here is a project for this year: >>fb-QMFCOQ9L → We need to come up with a plan to achieve this utopia.

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Anonymous 07/11/21(Sun)01:03:03 No. fprog-WA8WMPAW [Report]

>>fprog-6UJBBUTN (OP) Oh yeah, referring to other threads is still broken, here is the intended link: https://fchan.xyz/b/GT4KLZ21#QMFCOQ9L

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Anonymous 07/11/21(Sun)02:00:53 No. fb-M7ZIF93E [Report] >>fprog-UL8KLOGT >>fprog-U2HPRK1B

>>fprog-6UJBBUTN (OP) ipfs you actual nigger

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Anonymous 07/11/21(Sun)04:33:12 No. fprog-UL8KLOGT [Report] >>fprog-FH6J1WVJ

>>fb-M7ZIF93E >InterPlanetary File System wat

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Anonymous 07/11/21(Sun)06:16:45 No. fprog-AHC2DSZX [Report] >>fprog-JAWJASV9

>>fprog-6UJBBUTN (OP) apparently threads can be replies too

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Anonymous 07/11/21(Sun)11:04:10 No. fprog-U2HPRK1B [Report] >>fprog-2TDLXX81

>>fb-M7ZIF93E ipfs sucks shit my dude

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Anonymous 07/11/21(Sun)12:43:25 No. fprog-Y8T7YMQE [Report] >>fprog-JAWJASV9

>>fprog-6UJBBUTN (OP) Seems like it shouldn't be too hard. We could probably fork an existing project, the issue is: how are we going to structure it?

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Anonymous 07/11/21(Sun)13:33:20 No. fprog-JAWJASV9 [Report] >>fprog-4A7E9ZUN

>>fprog-AHC2DSZX wow fchannel is a broken mess >>fprog-Y8T7YMQE >Seems like it shouldn't be too hard. famous last words >how are we going to structure it? i am not even sure how this sort of thing is structured we should do it like fchan, initially: some anons create an instance with what they feel is missing on the network (like how jockanon created fitchan) and them expand on that i bet this place is full of weebs, so anime and roms will be easy to come by at the start

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Anonymous 07/12/21(Mon)15:58:28 No. fprog-FH6J1WVJ [Report]

>>fprog-UL8KLOGT its just glorified torrent. lets you back up websites and shit like that so that they become censorship-tolerant

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Anonymous 07/12/21(Mon)15:58:41 No. fprog-2TDLXX81 [Report] >>fprog-PJ12BF01

>>fprog-U2HPRK1B what then you faggot

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Anonymous 07/12/21(Mon)15:58:54 No. fprog-4A7E9ZUN [Report]

>>fprog-JAWJASV9 ipfs you actual retard nigger

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Anonymous 07/12/21(Mon)21:03:55 No. fprog-PJ12BF01 [Report] >>fprog-UGYN0UMZ

>>fprog-2TDLXX81 bittorrent

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Anonymous 07/12/21(Mon)21:10:03 No. fprog-UGYN0UMZ [Report] >>fprog-1VJPK5R3

>>fprog-PJ12BF01 litearlly the same thing but ipfs is distributed better, fucking off yourself

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Anonymous 07/12/21(Mon)22:18:48 No. fprog-1VJPK5R3 [Report] >>fprog-KQ1LO03Z

>>fprog-UGYN0UMZ >ipfs >better distributed than bittorrent lol no, not even close.

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Anonymous 07/13/21(Tue)01:53:01 No. fprog-KQ1LO03Z [Report] >>fprog-BYF6310Y

>>fprog-1VJPK5R3 explain how nodes with random data are somehow less distributed than singular torrents

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Anonymous 07/13/21(Tue)08:55:23 No. fprog-BYF6310Y [Report] >>fprog-EB9FTQ43

>>fprog-KQ1LO03Z because they don't contain random data, they just do DHT routing of requests. bittorrent swarms are far more diverse as they all have different content.

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Anonymous 07/13/21(Tue)15:00:56 No. fprog-EB9FTQ43 [Report]

>>fprog-BYF6310Y i'm not talking about diversity of data you retarded faggot i'm talking about distribution. a bunch of torrents with different things is never going to be as tolerant as an ipfs where everyone's backing up a piece of the archive that OP is talking about. fucking kill yourself

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Anonymous 07/13/21(Tue)20:23:31 No. fprog-9HWCQGIR [Report] >>fprog-0B832NFX >>fprog-BHSM28JX >>fprog-2T0VQMQX

some mathfag needs to make an algo that will be used to determine how important it is for some data to be backed up so that all the available space on this hydra-backup thing doesn't get used for storing over9000 copies of same shit but that would have to take the reliability of nodes into account that way Sonic OC fanart goes to some shitty Raspberry Pi node that some rando set up while copy of WikiLeaks goes to a VPS that is located in proper datacanter

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Anonymous 07/16/21(Fri)03:01:03 No. fprog-0B832NFX [Report] >>fprog-DDHWGG2J

>>fprog-9HWCQGIR that would be entirely subjective wouldn't it? how would an algorithm determine what is valuable content and what is garbage

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Anonymous 07/16/21(Fri)03:03:54 No. fprog-KV8MOWII [Report] >>fprog-DDHWGG2J

>>fprog-6UJBBUTN (OP) also would this be P2P? would we implement a way to obfuscate your IP address without using a VPN or would we build off of a bittorrent style system?

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Anonymous 07/19/21(Mon)12:11:30 No. fprog-DDHWGG2J [Report] >>fprog-A7JWKF2T

>>fprog-0B832NFX yes, subjective to the user who is running the node and therefore user would have control over what gets stored on the node I imagine some sort of UI that has list of all the shit that is already archived, maybe even sorted into categories that way user who is donating their storage can select specifically and/or generally what they are interested in seeing preserved. algo takes that as an input, checks which of the selected shit is the most appropriate to be downloaded and starts downloading and maybe have a "fuck my shit up" option, that gives control of the node's content to the public, or copies content settings from some other random node and this UI would also have to allow user to upload new shit into the archive >>fprog-KV8MOWII make it optional brave dudes can go expose themselves with their bare IP while careful dudes can go through Tor/Lokinet/some custom VPN I hope that we are not re-inventing Kademilla network or similar protocol It might be similar to other file-sharing protocols, but from what I understand, none of those protocols were designed for preservation of the content if shit was popular, it was available on the network, but none of the protocols made sure that file stays available. Except, now that I think about it, PeerTube does that for videos. PeerTube is basically torrents for videos, but there is always at least one seed for the file. The server that is hosting it. So regardless of how popular video is, it is always accessible as long as server stays up. More popularity just means more peers and therefore faster transfer speed for you.

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Anonymous 07/19/21(Mon)14:23:38 No. fprog-A7JWKF2T [Report] >>fprog-TM5M1CB2

>>fprog-DDHWGG2J hmm do you think we're better off forking something like that and modifying it slightly?

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Anonymous 07/20/21(Tue)17:10:38 No. fprog-TM5M1CB2 [Report]

>>fprog-A7JWKF2T fuck do I know, someone smarter than me should be the authority on how to start such project

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sageman_ !!pEAstp03m0 07/20/21(Tue)19:01:59 No. fprog-UO242JNJ [Report] >>fprog-IK9AZ756 >>fprog-TVCQB52Q

>>fprog-6UJBBUTN (OP) Existing technology like BitTorrent can be utilized to its maximum effect, provided the right setup. First, make sure that a node on the network is a tracker and it keeps "tracker agreement"s with other nodes, i.e. if one of the parties in an agreement receives an upload, then both of them will keep track of the seeds. If a new tracker joins in to track a torrent, then the torrent and magnet will be updated on the Download page and the tracker immediately gets to track it. The only problem with this approach is that while the same data is being shared, each torrent file has a drastically different set of trackers. This means that if a few key trackers gets taken down, then potentially all the seeds can be taken down from the network. The way data gets uploaded is by a few different ways: either you are an admin, and you have decided that you want to upload something, or you send a request to the admin in a website form with the data already uploaded to the server which the admin then decide if he wants or not. If the admin does not want random trash to be uploaded to its server, then it can opt for an alternative method: first, the user submits a form which describes the data that he would send, if the admin is interested, then he will notify the user and then the data would be sent over and be uploaded to the node. Once the data is on the node, word gets around with all the nodes which the node that just got the data uploaded to has an agreement with it, and they start tracking it. This plan is like the evil genius's ultimate plan to destroy the internet once for all, but that's also the reason why I don't think this would work: it looks too good on paper to work properly.

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Anonymous 07/20/21(Tue)22:54:32 No. fprog-IK9AZ756 [Report] >>fprog-DNSKJQKY >>fprog-R9HDC7IE

>>fprog-UO242JNJ listen tripfaggot ipfs already solves all of this kys

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Anonymous 07/20/21(Tue)23:55:58 No. fprog-DNSKJQKY [Report] >>fprog-BGV0UNG3

>>fprog-IK9AZ756 >ipfs >solves anything lol

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Anonymous 07/21/21(Wed)15:18:07 No. fprog-TVCQB52Q [Report]

>>fprog-UO242JNJ >This plan is like the evil genius's ultimate plan to destroy the internet once for all, but that's also the reason why I don't think this would work: it looks too good on paper to work properly. It's merely a way of providing a more sustainable method of archival, as opposed to relying on a central (or handful of different) servers to archive everything online. Right now theres like the wayback machine, archive.md, etc but those are super unreliable if it were to go to censorship requests. A federated archival site would be literally perfect

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Anonymous 07/21/21(Wed)20:18:38 No. fprog-R9HDC7IE [Report]

>>fprog-IK9AZ756 >t.

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Anonymous 07/22/21(Thu)16:49:59 No. fprog-BGV0UNG3 [Report]

>>fprog-DNSKJQKY dial8 faggot you make absolultely 0 sense with every post you make try actually saying something rather than babbling like a nigger next time

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Anonymous 07/25/21(Sun)23:34:35 No. fprog-2T0VQMQX [Report]

>>fprog-9HWCQGIR A home-hosted server is more secure for politically sensitive content than a GPS running on hardware and in a location you don't usually trust

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Anonymous 07/29/21(Thu)06:16:18 No. fprog-C6PIFKWB [Report]

>>fprog-6UJBBUTN (OP) s/jews//


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