Ugh, I hate how my native language (English) is a lingua franca because it leads to the degradation of the language. Specifically, ESL people write low quality English, which leads to EFL (English First language) people reading it. When they read it, they consciously and subconsciously change their English to be more like the ESL English. As an example, If someone reads a bunch of research papers, then they will try to imitate their style when they write their own research papers. A lot research papers were written by ESLs so the native English speaker will end up copying their simple English as part of the genre. There are more second language English speakers than native speakers, so any random dialogue will bring a native English speaker closer to ESL levels. In addition, English will end up getting influenced by these other languages, and will become increasingly more fucked up as a result. English is already fucked due to fusing with the romance languages, and it's only going to get more fucked as it fuses with all the other languages (since everyone is using it).
Also this forum has a bunch of people who I can't understand. I don't think that it's because of ESL's rather I think that it's a mixture of Schizoid/Autistic communication styles, and Fediverse/*chan lingo I don't understand.
>>PKCOQYNR (OP) I would say that there's no correct way to speak a language so long as everybody is understood. >>ZEO7CO4J Same. I find that difficult as well.
after whitey is extinct and world technology falls back into the bronze age English will fracture into a bunch of different languages, kinda like Latin becoming the romance languages.
>>X7YMKYCL > I would say that there's no correct way to speak a language so long as everybody is understood. I generally agree but there is one (not very important) point of contiention: let's say there are two Russians who think they are speaking japanese, and can understand one another when they talk, but a native japanese speaker couldn't understand them. If that's the case, then they are speaking japanese incorrectly, even if they both understand each other, and the native speaker isn't part of the conversation. They are speaking some sort of japanese pidgin, rather than the language proper. Secondly I think you misunderstood my point. I don't care about "correctly" speaking English. If I want to communicate with someone, It dosen't trigger me if people make grammatically incorrect expressions as long as I can understand them (Eg saying "I'm doing good" rather than "I'm doing well"). The degradation I'm talking about is twofold, The first problem is that the language becomes harder to learn. A language that has very little foreign influence is much more regular than a language with lots, and as a result, it is usually easier to learn. English orthography is a nightmare because we have adopted a shit load of foreign words. We have multiple morphological derivations and inflections that are specific to certain kinds of nouns (compare inflections: cactus -> cacti. duck -> ducks, octopus -> octopuses, ox -> oxen, goose -> geese, moose -> meese, mouse -> mice, etcetera. For morphological derivations: gummy, quarrelsome, fugacious, catlike, ecclesiastical, dionysian, homeric, and more). A lot of that is due to us taking foreign words, and keeping their derivation rules. The second problem is that the language usually degrades in beauty. It is much harder for an ESL person to make idiomatic/poetic expressions, so they become less common in the language. To play devils advocate, you could argue that the language becomes more analytical because inflections are hard for second language speakers to learn (but I could be wrong about that, it happened with English and Mediterranean Lingua Franca, but I haven't looked at enough lingua francas to know if it does that all the time). This actually makes the language easier to learn and it makes it better for poetry, but I think the language harder to learn, and less beautiful in general. >>R4BDLQUQ It will probably fracture into a bunch of different languages even if civilization doesn't collapse.
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>>R4BDLQUQ https://www.orionsarm.com/eg-topic/45b3e7e486409#anglic
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