Which do you prefer? Do they both function the same or does one do something the other doesnt?
>>fg-A1EF382C (OP) I''ve been using telegram for the past 5 years. I also use element aka riot Signal seems interesting but I am skeptical after members of big tech endorse it.
Good enough for me
>>fg-E6A241F1 I don''t trust this man
>>fg-A1EF382C (OP) >>fg-67C9BC85 >>fg-E6A241F1 >>fb-03CE2F29 → >>fg-16BA6160 >I''''ve been using telegram for the past 5 years. Centralized garbage. Encryption is disabled by default. You can report users. People get banned on there. It''s trash. >Signal Requires phone number. More centralized garbage. Read their ToS. Use session-loki. It''s decentralized, onion routed, and requires no phone number - username - etc to sign up. It also has a desktop and mobile clients.
>>fg-28566A66 >Use session-loki. >uses the Signal encryption protocol Ill have to look more into this. Do you just share a hash value as your identification?
>>fg-E6A241F1 Good, good goy. Telegram is safer and better, signal is a kike honeypot. They''re both trash though, wouldn''t recommend either. The fact is there''s no normalfag-friendly option worth a shit. Maybe matrix will be good one day (they''re working on a decentralized implementation, rather than federated). For those more in the know, there''s tox, although I hear it kills phone batteries and heat them up. Not that I''d know since I''m not a habitual phonetard like you zoomers.
>>fg-4F82D672 >Do you just share a hash value as your identification? Yes. Primarily through QR code, but that''s optional (obviously). Session is decentralized and the incentive for people to host servers/nodes for it comes from the incentive of staking the loki/oxen crypto currency, which gives rewards for propping up the network. The loki foundation made this, and they are making other privacy oriented things as well, such as loki-net. I recommend you try it out, I discovered it yesterday and all of my friends left telegram for it after we heard about people getting banned....I looked at signal but the problem with it is the required phone number, centralized servers, and the vulnerability of your metadata. I know I sound like peak shill right now but I am genuinely passionate about Session. I hope the developers keep working on it and am doing my best to spread the word and give them support. A common issue with these privacy oriented decentralized services is the lack of convenience and performance. But I was quite surprised, session is pretty quick and smooth.
>>fg-A1EF382C (OP) Conversations(/fork like Pix-Art) type XMPP or Element are better. But if you must have something commercial for some reason, see pic related.
>>fg-EF2A9DCC Awful, biased pic. In particular, >pretending whatsapp ever has or ever will have e2ee lol''d Just the fact you can sync your messages between whatsapp web and whatsapp app proves it''s not e2ee by definition (such a process is impossible without sharing the key between the devices, but this is not happening without a server in the whatsapp architecture, and if the key is heading to he server at any time, you are not e2ee).
>>fg-A1EF382C (OP) Both are compromised by being integrated with phone contacts. Of the two I use Signal simply because I prefer the way it functions from a usability standpoint, not because of security reasons. Telegram feels bloated beyond my needs, as I only care about chatting to people individually, via text. If I wanted to use it to keep track of updates from people instead of chatting with them, I''d visit their website/s (e.g their blog, social media, video channel).
>>fg-D0E7C4C0 Matrix does this properly, though you have to do verification, i.e. proving the keys were not tampered with. It''s easy enough of a solution.>>fg-D0E7C4C0
>>fg-A1EF382C (OP) First of all, both Signal and Telegram are not guarantee of privacy or anonymity. Both services require you to have a mobile number and have proprietary server side. That said, Telegram is much easier to convert normies to. It has a lot of stuff that WhatsApp lacks thus making it more appealing to your parents or normie friends like one-to-many channels for meme posting or news, bots for virtually anything you might need, free animated stickers and file sharing capabilities. If you want to move your friends and family away from whatsapp and facebook - telegram might be easier to do so.
>>fg-82AFF2AE It is exactly the same as telegram, except with e2ee on private chats on by default rather than off by default, and the ability to make encrypted rooms ("invite-only rooms"), but then you have to trust whoever made the room, who can also get #cancelled. The problem is that it''s not noob-friendly yet, that it''s currently federated, and that other than the minor above, does not have more features than telegram. Matrix is working on being decentralized, which is great, but until they have that plus e2ee rooms, plus video and voice over this infrastructure, they''re no better than anything else. Not to mention, they need a way to work all that out without overheating phones to death like tox does.
>>fg-D0E7C4C0 It actually is from the Threema webpage. They probably just didn''t want to go too hard on their competition. It''s just a basic overview of some use as far as I''m concerned -reminding you of a few things that might matter. feel free to correct.
Signal is easy for my friends and family. xmpp/matrix for group chats and secure chats between internet friends.
>>fg-A1EF382C (OP) Non-profit better. Telegram is still more than enough. Being a private company itself doesn't need to imply anything.
>>fg-DAFCBDCC Signal's server side is now open source again. https://www.androidpolice.com/2021/04/06/it-looks-like-signal-isnt-as-open-source-as-you-thought-it-was-anymore/ https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Server
You should use GNU Jami
>>fg-28566A66 Give me a heads up on the signal TOS.
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